bob dahl, it's going to be about profits, about the economy. i want to know whether you're a bull or a bear on profits and the economy? >> i'm constructive, larry. the last 40% moveup in the stock market, as we look at it, 30 is pe, 10 is e. we need stronger revenue and earnings growth. consumers doing a little better, gas prices are down. we're getting less bad news out of europe. i think there's some signs of an improvement in corporate capital expenditures. china seems to have stabilized a bit. the sequestration head winds will be less in '14 than '13. you get marginally better growth and marginally better margins growth and earnings growth. >> i'll give you the last word. take me through this. is it going to be harder to grind out a stock market advance? i have 10 or 15 seconds? is that one of the themes, atsz he going to be harder to grind it out? >> i think it's going to be bumpier if you do remove the perceived -- it will be interest rates. ten year treasury, 3.9 today. that's what the market has to absorb. >> thank you. appreciate t. so